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Offline Nao/Gilles

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I don't think I'll make this topic public for now, but as I can't let her censorship go unnoticed and unpunished, I'd appreciate it if someone among you go repost my long "pseudo-PM" (ah ah) in answer to her post over at http://www.simplemachines.org/...c=200401.msg2851583#msg2851583 -- thanks!
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And no, the team will never integrate Aeva into 2.0 gold (yes, we read the Aeva thread),
I don't much (:P). I did read it these last few days because of all the links, but I don't have a permatab to sm.org, like I used to.
Really, I haven't been on the SMF boards much these last few weeks/months. If there are things that I should be made aware of, please share!
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not only because the team feels it's bloat,
Yeah, they should use SMF Gallery instead, it's not bloat, as the bloat already exploded long ago. It's just a mess now :p
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but that Nao would never give it to them, no matter how much they asked.
Unless they're willing to pay, ahah... But then they're better off buying our fork altogether!
How much would you settle on, Pete? Would 10 million euros be enough? 55/45 if they get AeMe in the process?
Yeah, I think that'd be a fair price for our work + 2 years of getting crushed.
It's barely more expensive than france.fr, my country's official website -- the small logo is apparently worth 28.5K¤ (yes), and the website's design a whooping 100K¤. (I'm not kidding you. Apparently, "fugly" is the new black.)
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(And no, we would never join the team, not that they'd ever invite us. Even when Nao was a 'consulting dev', they'd already voted not to let him in but made him 'an apprentice' anyway just to use him for the help he'd give.)
For what it's worth, they could hold a vote to give me the finger, or to say they're sorry they had to boot me off the website, I don't give a shit about their team thinks, votes, lies about, or whatever. They went hostile on us in a very official manner, so we're not going to bend over and smile.

Kindred's recently proven he'd rather lie over a lie ("I didn't lie, I just changed my mind and forgot about it"), just to save 'reputation', than make a move to more understanding between us. Great choice. They chose their position, they imposed it to us, so unless they have 10M¤ under the hand, they've pretty much lost the fight because what they're fighting is something they haven't had for a LONG time in their team: two competent and motivated developers.
And you know how you give motivation to competent developers? By inviting them, first, and at least giving what they say some credit. Just because you think someone's idea is great, doesn't make you stupid for not having thought of it.

Eh.
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Why would you have to be sorry ?
It seems that this "bug" or whatever breaks up a lot of feelings between you and fel.
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Free "customers" are not customers -- they're users, that's all.
I understand, that you are an busy "student", but i bought your Foxy Addon eg.
So i'm not a totally free customer btw.

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Why would you have to be sorry ?
It seems that this "bug" or whatever breaks up a lot of feelings between you and fel.
Where do you see that?
I just didn't have time to look into the problem...
And when I finally devoted a few minutes to it, I saw Fel's post about my "bad programming practices". It shows two things at the time: she hasn't ever looked into any of my code, and she doesn't have a problem criticizing something she's never looked into.
At least, I don't comment on PortaMx... Because you know what? I never looked into it!
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I understand, that you are an busy "student", but i bought your Foxy Addon eg.
So i'm not a totally free customer btw.
Student? I'm 35, you must be mistaken...
Yes, if you're posting here you're a 'customer', but still, I think I provide more than enough support for what is essentially a passtime by now.

Really, I spent two years providing free support to hundreds of people. Unpaid. Then I released Foxy and I sold 15 copies in a year or so. When I decided to turn Foxy into AeMe2, I suddenly started selling a lot of copies. So what I'm selling here, is not new features (since Foxy didn't sell), it's not even support (since I never used that as leverage for getting more users), it's a promise that I'll keep working on AeMe in the future. I guess.
I don't feel myself obliged to help users, whether paying or not. If someone is an ass to me, I'll be an ass to them. If someone is nice to me, and I just happen to be reading, I'll be devoting time to them. Non-paid customers, well -- same deal, only they PM me and I have the liberty to ignore them entirely.

Anyway... No hard feelings, but please don't start mentioning things like that in a way that feels like you're asking me for respect. You have my respect, but not because you bought my software a year ago. You have it simply because I believe respect is not something you earn. It's something you should have from day one, and then risk losing.
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Student? I'm 35, you must be mistaken...
I remembered a PM/POST about doing some edu stuff next 2 weeks...well i didn't found it right now to quote.
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It seems that this "bug" or whatever breaks up a lot of feelings between you and fel.... Where do you see that?
I often followed your messages either on SMF as well as on AEVA and you never posted such excessive threads as on behalf of fel from portaMX. So for me as an -  outstanding - user, i can feel a lot of things taking to your heart right now which maybe were unspoken until now. So finally, i like your software, i'm willing to pay if it's in relation to the school project i'm going to support; no more, no less.

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So it's even more to your credit that you actually didn't see a problem in me inviting her over to our private boards.
For the most part, the issues I had with Fel were where I waded into a debate that wasn't really mine, but I made mine - cf. the SimpleSEF thread, or the private commentary that went on when she joined SimpleDesk as a beta tester and spent all her time debugging Project Tools on our behalf, finding dozens of issues and fixing them.

People that are willing to stand up for what they have to say get my respect - Fel did just that, for the most part, because she refused to be downtrodden too much by what others had to say. That said I won't deny there were times she was off the deep end, but it always struck me as being times that it was provocation that got to that point, e.g. Dime's attitude in replying to her.
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To return to one of the two original points in this thread, is work being done on making AeMe work with RC4?  I was using 2.04 with RC3 very nicely but it won't install under RC4.

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It does install on RC4... you'll just have to do some manual edits if another mod has change a part of the code that Aeva is looking for.

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When I test the mod using http://resourcez.biz/PackageParser/ I get fatal errors.  How do I discover the manual edits needed?

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try to install on your site.. any test that fails requires manual editing

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I am digging into the code.  The test that fails originates in install-2.0.xml lines 21-45 which is the second modification to Subs.php. 

The code begins:

   <operation>
      <search position="after"><![CDATA[
         'mlist' => array(]]></search>
      <add><![CDATA[
         // Aeva Media changes

and then has stuff through a closing

         // End Aeva Media changes]]></add>
   </operation>

One confusing item is that the error says       
2.    Add Before    ./Sources/Subs.php    Test failed
while the code seems to say search position "after"

I guess I want to know why the failure occurs.

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Problem solved!  The culprit was Ad Seller Pro.  I uninstalled it and AeMe installed correctly.  Ad Seller Pro then installed fine after.

thanks for the help.

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Good to know you got it fixed.

I would have been able to help you figure that one out had Ad Seller Pro's author not acted the way he did.
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Yes, it sometimes depends in which order you install the mods.

Well, with Fel I believe these were only misunderstandings,
cause she does not speak English so well and she is a German as me.

Also she said, that she can not post email correspondance publically,
because of legal problems in German law.

BTW, her PortaMX company has another women as her partner and a few
freelance works.
They are doing software consulting for bigger companies.

Fel is the CEO who is devoting now all her time to
develop the PortaMX portal software most of her time.

She will soon release PortaMX 1.0 with great new features.

Regards, Stefan.


Posted on 23 November 2010 à 14h54

Well, as long as your fork is not out yet and when  it is out and there are missing
functions, that the SMF2.0RC4 and a few other MODs combination can give me,
I would not change to your fork
as needed functions (Mods) are missing.

Maybe for these user you can still offer a paid version of AEVA that is
compatible with RC4 ?

Posted on 23 November 2010 à 15h16

Feline found an error:

"The bug has to do with the new integration hooks in RC4.
If Aeva make his ob_start, ob_end, the SMF outbuffer is called twice in ONE session, so a dynamic function then is created on the first outbuffer call and  exists on the second call. This crashed the entire system."

Feline has posted a fix on her PortaMX forum.

Nao, are you still going to fully support RC4 with your paid version ?

As RC4 came out after your AEVA 2.04 there are probably still more incompatibilities now ?


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Feline has posted a fix on her PortaMX forum.
Well, I did post a fix earlier last week, too...
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Nao, are you still going to fully support RC4 with your paid version ?
I never technically said AeMe2 supports RC4. It works on my RC4, that's all I can say...
And portaMx is not part of RC4, either.
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As RC4 came out after your AEVA 2.04 there are probably still more incompatibilities now ?
Nope...
Don't you remember that my tests are done on noisen.com, which was always up to date? (Well, it's no longer going to be the case since the SMF team kindly kicked me out of the beta team after years of good service. Fuck 'em.)
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